the issues over time
Having watched Gravel for a year, listened and responded to the issues as best I could, and watched events unfurl as they have I say it comes down to a 2 horse race. Not the demolicans vs the republicrats race, the race is between the moneymen and the truthers, - and after a year I find most think it's for the Demolicans to lose. Sad to say, but if one looks a little deeper into what the Dems are offering, one would have to draw the conclusion that most people don't really know or care where their money is going.
I can't believe 'the people' are so stupid to need the truth presented as an unavoidable, inescapable, physical entity, I think people can't see it for what it really is. We have LITERALLY been sold out - lock stock and barrel - but people want to turn a blind eye and deaf ear for what ever reason(s).
Rossl - you mentioned you read 'the Kingmakers', and made a bit of a cryptic allusion to Gravels' comments regarding 9/11 (a Wright style statement) ... does this mean some kind of a radical revelation had been kept from us, - after all, ppl are mentioning Nader hadn't placed US troop involvement high on his agenda, Nader hadn't pushed the NI4D hard enough, I ask - is a high level revelation about 9/11 omething to hide under a bushel also?
9/11 was a catalyzing factor in the current war and the almost current wars, and the NSA etc etc, should something of this caliber be kept form public knowledge for any reason>?
Is it still a catalyzing, possibly determining factor?
Arp
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No, in the book Gravel said
Submitted on June 2nd, 2008 by rosslNo, in the book Gravel said that the media failed to question the government's excuses for 9/11, when clearly it could have been prevented. Also, he talks about how the media's failure to question that lead to a failure of the 9/11 investigation. Gravel has called for a new 9/11 investigation before, but he doesn't believe in conspiracy theories.
for the public record he may not believe them
Submitted on June 4th, 2008 by arpidoodleand the fact he is and was a politician may give him a kind of insight that the layman isn't privy to.
What remains is the government did little or nothing to allay public concern - why did they suppress the video from the Sheraton Hotel of the missile that hit the pentagon - you combine that with the NSA and FEMA's actions and the way Iraq got invaded and everything else that has happened and it's not only NOT a wonder there are conspiracy theories, it's a wonder Bush or Cheney are still breathing the same air we are. Simple logic tells me 9/11 was more than a handful of fanatics, simple logic tells me thermite was used to bring those buildings down, just as WTC 7 was brought down. That is an act of war on the people by their own government.
If the 9/11 WTC attack hadn't gone as planned do you think for a moment the attack on the Pentagon would have been carried out?
Not a chance. Think about it. An 'ememy' uses deadly force to attack a military installation. Britanny's undie status would have recaptured headlines within days - and held on to it.
Bush/Cheney literally declared war on their people. Is it not surprising there isn't a politician from outside the 'inner circle' who can countenance that thought?
Whether Americans feel there is or is not a conspiracy is not a concern to the 'inner circle' of buzzards hovering around the Whitehouse. It's foreign reaction that matters, and I think the foreigners responded in no uncertain terms.
High gas prices? Bushes' last hurrah, - and we can thank our foreign friends that's all that came of it.
Yeah - A handful of box cutter armed terrorists managed to launch an air to air cruise missile into the pentagon - right!
They did it.
Submitted on June 4th, 2008 by RipplesAnd they lied about everything that happened on that day. Just like they've always lied about everything, to serve their own purposes.
They needed a "new Pearl Harbor" to enact their plans to take over the ME, so they created one. And well within the first year of Bush's term, so they could get everything else they wanted during the rest of it. It's really not that hard to understand. It's just so ugly, most people don't want to believe it.
I only watched Loose Change a couple weeks ago. And have only read articles sporadically when I run across them. Looking into it too much at once is too disturbing for me. Especially when the truth is so quickly and easily exposed.
exactly
Submitted on June 5th, 2008 by arpidoodlebut it's hard to avoid when you see the light. It becomes a matter of necessity to put it in the right perspective in order to avoid self castigation - or the castigation of ones fellow countrymen.
When you consider that in a time of war Bush used the NSA to turn on his people rather than show them strength, trust, and good leadership, the truth indeed is quickly and easily exposed.
The picture I get has become 'irrationaly' clear - Bush felt he and his New World Order buddies - having pushed Americans aside, could push the rest of the world aside just as easily, but the rest of the world didn't see it that way, so the net result is 'the Bilderberg group' doing what they have always done - settling for the money.
There may be larger crises in the near future though - when fuel and food shortages start creeping up more peoples back steps - what happened with 9/11, Iraq, and the NSA will be seen as a preemptive move by those in the know, those with the power. And that is how the whole thing should be looked at. A handful of Neanderthals trying to take the cowardly way out.
Looking at it that way is probably less disturbing than taking it personally, but that is only if we get the chance to reminisce about it - the way politicians operate we may realize these potential crises the way we got to know Bush/Cheney - another bomb going off in our laps.
Now that Mike is gone (preceded by Kucinich and Paul) there really isn't a prominent advocate for freedom and justice, just watered down versions at best. That is the more disturbing aspect.
Mikes run for the Presidency was not omly remarkable for what HE offered the voter, it was remarkable given the overwhelming negativity present for any non-corporate candidate.
The upside of all of this is that he truly did represent the 'average Joe', and that person is much more like him than all the Neocons combined, so don't be discouraged when you look around, just be aware of who you are, and what you are.
Arpi