I have read a lot of people that do not think Mike should try for the LP nomination because he has some differing views. For one, I do think that Mike should continue his bid and hopefully he will get the nod. I definately support him - it is his message and not his party that concern me.
With that said, I believe the two biggest contenders for him are Bob Barr and Wayne Allyn Root.
How do we show their supporters, as well as other Delegates, that Mike is the answer? I am going to try my hardest to get to the Convention this May (money prohibiting, but I did sign up as a delegate), and I want to ensure that I have something to say when I am asked "Why Gravel over Barr?"
Personally, I do not see why ANYONE would go for Root. He seems like...a car salesman. A used car salesman. Maybe one with a back tweed 70s jacket and big shiny hair. I am not convinced that he would actually DO anything other than talk. He doesn't seem to have a plan, and as far as I know he doesn't have any government experience.
I don't know enough about Barr, but I am working on educating myself with his voting record.
Does anyone know where I can get a schedule of the upcoming LP State Conventions? That might be helpful.
Thanks
Skyla
Comments
observation
Submitted on April 23rd, 2008 by parisdWell I will put my two cents in. I had the opportunity to escort Senator Gravel to the Wash Libertarian convention this past weekend and I got chance to spend time with him there and I will tell you that he has a good shot to get the LP nomination. I watched the contenders who were there speak and I will tell you that Wayne Allen Root is just a personality. He says vote for me because I can get on FAUX noise network, big deal so can Obama, does that mean I should vote for him. Plus the fact Root was late to the convention. He didnt bother to show up until almost the last hour of the event.
Root has no experience other than telling people he is the son of a butcher. What is that?
Barr was not at the convention, he had there someone there by proxy. Butt I saw him on FAUX noise with Sean Vanity, and Barr was pathetic. That fact that he is back and forth on issues is bad enough, but then goes on with Vanity with a defeatist attitude that the libertarians will not win and concedes this to Sean. That is the last thing we need, especially now that the Repubs and Dems are empoding themselves. Mike is in it to win, not just get 3% like Barr is suggesting.
And that Mary Ruwart woman is to busy trying to envoke the spirit of Ron Paul, doesnt say too much about her policies and that she does is all about privitizing govt which is a non starter. The other guys werent to bad, but they lack the fire Mike has.
Bottom line anyone who can get to Denver CO on May 21-26 should go, be registered as a delegate for the libertarians and vote for Mike. We have a window of opportunity, it may be small, but it is there and we need to take advantage of it.
Keep an eye on Jingozian...
Submitted on April 22nd, 2008 by Mike__MHa Ha! I agree completely with both of you about the used car salesman! That style might work on the Strip in Las Vegas but I hope most Libertarians are more thoughtful than to fall for it. He reminds me of a caricature of Bill Clinton.
Anyway here's my opinion of the candidates:
-Sen Gravel towered over the others, on the issues, on "elecatability" and in real "presence." His comments were well-received and he really positioned himself well as truly libertarian.
-Mike Jingozian was the only other one who mentioned empowering the people; much of what he said was in line with our own Issues page. I left Tacoma with the intention of supporting Jingozian in 2012. When I told him so, he asked that if I go to Denver, to vote for him on the first ballot because Gravel is sure to get more votes anyway! (Sadly, Denver is out of reach for me.) His run this year seems to be part of his long range plan to help the people break the two-party sytem.
-George Phillies is pretty good on the issues, but not very electrifying as a leader.
-Wayne A Root wears a nice suit and talks loud
-Mary Ruwart talks quietly; she's mainstream Libertarian with a capital "L" -- apparently, she "wrote the book" on it. Strikes me as Ron-Paul-Lite, though maybe the proper interpretation is that Paul is right-wing-Ruwartian.
-Rep. Bob Barr was represented by Bob Jackson- they may be good choices for disappointed Huckabee supporters, but that's the far edge of libertarianism, opposite the side I'm on.
As for a schedule of upcoming conventions: I can't find a single list either. Phillies is going to Connecticut, Indiana. New York is coming up.
The national website has the states mapped- I guess you have to click each state to check their 50 separate web sites to find out?
Very funny!
Submitted on April 22nd, 2008 by DebbieKatMy husband said the exact same thing about W.A.R. ("He reminds me of a caricature of Bill Clinton.")
Barr voted for the Patriot
Submitted on April 21st, 2008 by rosslBarr voted for the Patriot Act. That's reason enough not to vote for him.
I am not a big fan of his work
Submitted on April 21st, 2008 by BamaGravelianI am not a big fan of his work on the Defense of Marriage Act or his support of the War on Drugs while he was in public office either, but he has recanted these positions after joining the Libertarian Party. I think I like him better than Root, but there are some judgments in his past record that disturb me. Also he does support impeachment. A lot of his answers to questions sound very similar to Ron Paul.
"People will have to suffer a level of frustration and anger sufficient to reason their way out of this conundrum and reach for an "out of the box" solution to their own empowerment." (page 6 of Citizen Power)
LP candidates
Submitted on April 21st, 2008 by redgarI wouldn't discount Christine Smith, Mary Ruwart, and George Phillies. Smith has an excellent stage presence and is very good with libertarian issues. Ruwart and Phillies are long time party activists with much name recognition in the party.
I think it will come right down to the convention itself. The candidate who convinces the delegates at the convention that he/she will do the best job representing the beliefs of the party will be one one who will be awarded the nomination. In 2004, Badnarik was not a front runner. Yet he gave such a good performance at the National convention that he walked away with the nomination.
Contenders
Submitted on April 21st, 2008 by DebbieKatFrom reading people's postings over at thirdpartywatch, Ruwart seems to have a strong following. So does Bob Barr. I agree with Skyla that R.A.W. sounds like a used car salesman. He's just over the top and loud. From what I gather, he is more of a Republican than a Libertarian.
There's also a lot of pandering to the Ron Paul supporters going on, based on comments made at the WA state Libertarian Convention. And, based on the videos that Skyla sent around on myspace the other day, it shows that Gravel's positions are comparable to Paul's on a lot of major issues. I think this is a big plus for Gravel.
Wait a minute
Submitted on April 21st, 2008 by BamaGravelianhaha, I just realized that Wayne Allen Root's initials spell out WAR! Ok, that's stupid but a little funny given the situation.
"People will have to suffer a level of frustration and anger sufficient to reason their way out of this conundrum and reach for an "out of the box" solution to their own empowerment." (page 6 of Citizen Power)
Oh, I wasn't aware of all of
Submitted on April 21st, 2008 by sgrimesOh, I wasn't aware of all of that. I did see Mary Ruwart and George Phillies at the WA LPCon. I was impressed by Ruwart but not really Phillies at all. I didn't know that they were long time activists....that will make a difference.
Thank you for your info =) Keeping my fingers crossed for the convention then!!
Phillies doesn't sound too bad either...
Submitted on April 22nd, 2008 by DebbieKatBut I guarantee he's a trekkie. :-) Actually, of all the candidates in the Libertarians, I am most impressed with Gravel, of course, and then Jingozian, Ruwart and Phillies after that. Not too happy with the rest.
My top choices
Submitted on April 22nd, 2008 by redgarI'd like to see a Smith/Ruwart ticket.
I'm sad to report that I can no longer consider Gravel. I've read too many of his past comments where he believes that people have a "right" to my hard earned money. He is way too far from a Libertarian on economic issues.
“The question a people's platform must address is how every American can participate in the economy and obtain from it the basic financial security which is their share of this material affluence. I believe it should be done through a Citizen's Wage, to which everyone is entitled at birth and which is available to the worker and the poor alike. The Citizen's Wage should be seen as a dividend from the nation's total affluence and as a reflection of each person'sright to economic security. The amount paid to the individual should be geared realistically to the level of income needed to maintain a minimum, decent standard of living. The Citizen's Wage should also become an effective tool for the long-run economic improvement of our entire society.“
Has Gravel taken back the above socialist statement? Can anyone show me any record of Gravel embracing a free market economy?
Gravel does embrace a free
Submitted on April 22nd, 2008 by rosslGravel does embrace a free market economy. And I'm not sure about this statement, the only thing that's like it that I can think of is the Fair Tax reimbursement. That would be something to cover the cost of food and the essentials of life under the Fair Tax.
Whatever you do, please don't support Bob Barr. He voted for the Patriot Act. 'Nuff said.
Yes, it is unfortunate that
Submitted on April 22nd, 2008 by People UniteYes, it is unfortunate that the Libertarian party has neo-cons like Bob Barr in their ranks.
Mike Gravel will help get the party back to having diverse opinions on ways to promote individual freedom.
Glad he joined, neo-conservatism/ paleo-libertarianism is certainly NOT freedom.
We need more liberally social libertarians/ progressive, independent thinkers who are willing to listen and change their minds or the libertarian party will never become popular. I have confidence Mike Gravel will come around and support the free market.