Howard University and other Future Presidential Debates

Thursday, June 28th, at 9 p.m EST, Howard University will be hosting a Democratic Presidential forum on PBS. The debate will be moderated by Tavis Smiley, host of TAVIS SMILEY a late-night PBS talk show. All eight Presidential candidates have been invited to the debate, which will focus on issues ranging from health care and housing to Katrina relief, the economy and the environment, among others outlined in Smiley's #1 The New York Times best-seller, Covenant With Black America.

Please watch and cheer on the Senator as he presents straight talk and strong leadership to the nation!

 

FUTURE DEBATES

Mark your calendars for future 2007 presidential debates sponsored by the Democratic National Committee:

June 28- Washington, D.C

July 23 – Charleston, SC

August 19 – Des Moines, IA

September 26 – Manchester, NH

October 30 – Philadelphia, PA

November 15 – Las Vegas, NV

December 10 – Los Angeles, CA

Comments

Delivery and clip link from youtube

Saw part of it from this clip on you tube

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vWA8upoFJ5A

Good points.   Think he could have taken the opportunity to allow space for applause, especially after the tempo surges when he nailed the key points.  Audience started gaining momentum at a couple of points there.  Probably could have had the room on fire by the end of that clip...

Other than that, solid delivery. Has good voice volume control, a slight adjustment to tempo and he owns the audience.

there wasnt time

There was not time to wait for applause, this wasnt a speech, it was a question and answer session and he was on a timer 60 seconds at first then 30 seconds at the end. as it is hedidnt manage to get his final point across on several of those answers. he ran out of time before he could mention NAFTA, NID, or fairtax.org

All i want is the truth, why is it so hard to find?

Link

The debates can be found here : http://www.pbs.org/kcet/tavissmiley/special/forums/video.html

The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results. -- Benjamin Franklin

Vote for Mike Gravel, anything else would be insanity!

Debates/NAFTA Outsourcing Question

During last evening's Howard U debate, in answer to the question about outsourcing and trade, I agree with Mike's opposition to NAFTA. But does he support the contention that NAFTA is unconstitutional since the constitution requires 2/3 vote of Senate for treaties, while NAFTA only got simple majority, passing with 63 votes, rather than 66. But you say NAFTA is not a trade treaty? The only reason NAFTA is not a treaty is that it could not pass Congress if it had been called a treaty. We have been skunked again. Why didn't he explain this on TV?

he ran out of time on that

he ran out of time on that question for sure.

 

 

All i want is the truth, why is it so hard to find?

I'm watching the Howard

I'm watching the Howard University debates tonight, and I've got to commend them on running a fast and fair debate.

I've also got to commend Mike. He's not pandering to his audience, but answering the tough questions with tough answers. Someone asked him if outsourcing was hurting America, and he said it's not the outsourcing, but our system of health insurance and taxation that are killing our companies ability to compete globally. That's a complex answer, but it's also a truthful answer.

Over too soon!

It's a shame Mike didn't have time to complete his last statement before the end of the debate: You need a leader with moral judgement, and how can you trust the moral judgement of most of the people on that stage, for what they've done: They voted to authorize the war!

Overall a good debate, and good performances by most. Gravel and Kucinich were the best in my opinion.

Best in the Howard University Debate

I watched the Howard University debate.  Shawn from Louisville writes that he Gravel and Kucinich were the best.

I strongly disagree.  Kucinich, who is a member of the House of Representatives, and should know better, said that if he were President, he would veto NAFTA, but he should very well know that NAFTA passed the Congress, and that it would not be up for a Presidential veto, unless the President was flagrantly disregarding the laws of this country.  It's time for Kucinich to review the oath of the President of the United States, in the US Constitution.  Yes, it would be appropriate for President Bush to do so as well.

As for Gravel, an even stronger disappointment, with a poisonous attack, not once, but twice, on all the other candidates, starting with a statement to the effect that all were equally to blame with the Republicans for what is going on in this country and the World, and ending with a statement that none of the other candidates had any moral authority whatsoever, when, in reality, while Gravel has been retired and on the sideliines, each of the other seven has been fighting for the American people and the people of the World, on some very tough issues.

Kudos for the Howard University debate particularly to Hillary Rodham Clinton and Barak Obama, and secondarily to John Edwards.  I had started with it, leaning for Edwards.

As a Democratic party activist here in Texas, and a long-time Unitarian, I was particularly disappointed in my fellow Unitarian Mike Gravel.

--John Keohane

Austin, Texas

Misquoting Mike Gravel

..none of the other candidates had any moral authority whatsoever..

This is not what the Senator said John, If you are going to quote Senator Gravel, please get it right. What he said is: Very simply. If we have a president, he has to have moral judgment. Most of the people on this stage with me do not have that judgment and have proven it by the simple fact of what they've done.

We stand by this remark.

Gravel 08

 

what is wrong with stating

what is wrong with stating the truth? the democrats ARE equally to blame as the republicans. most of them aside from kucinich voted for the patriot act and voted to give the president power for war and repeatedly voted to fund the war over and over... that is why they have no moral judgment. if you think that your party should give you cover and agree with you no matter what you do or say then you are ... well george bush.

 

ya Gravel was on the sidelines because he was busy writing the NID which could very well be the most important document ever written since the declaration of independence as far as truly giving the people the power of government.

 

All i want is the truth, why is it so hard to find?

When It is no gift to be simple

Aupax and others,

I think in Copeland's Appalachian Spring, are the words "It's a Gift to be Simple . . ." 

Seems to me that this is the political tune of Aupax, man or woman, from some state in the United States or from somewhere else.

Problem is, that one cannot make morality and politics hinge on a single vote, or even a series of votes on one issue.  Sadaam, as we then knew, was stonewalling.  The Bush administration, as we now know, was acting on faulty intelligence.  Does that mean that giving the President the negotiating tool, of we might use force, was inherently wrong?  I don't think so.  Perhaps if you are rigidly a pacifist, you might think so, but I would suggest that is a very narrow point of view.

I don't know how it is in your state.  Well, maybe I do know how it is in your state, but you have kept us all in the dark.

I can say, that here in Texas we have posters on the other side, such as "I Support the Troops and the President".  Actually I believe one can support the troops without supporting this President, and that now that we have gotten in the extricating is not one simple task.  Also here in Texas, we have bumper stickers such as "I vote life", as if anyone in favor of a woman's right to choose would be choosing death, and again, that one issue politics, which helps no one.

As far as differences between the parties are concerned, I ask you to go beyond the simple one issue is all politics.  Go to senate.gov if you wish, and review the votes in the Senate for 2007.  In particular, look at votes where the vast majority of Democrats were on one side, and the vast majority of Republicans on the other.  I think you'll find quite a few of them.

I ask you, and all others to get beyond the my way or the highway mentality.

In this case it really is no gift to be simple.

--John Keohane

Austin, Texas

keohane@prodigy.net 

this is not true

first the P and D are on opposite ends of the keyboard...

 

second "The Bush administration, as we now know, was acting on faulty intelligence." this is not correct as we now know. the intelligence indicated that there were no weapons and there was no threat from iraq but that Bush's team cherry picked various pieces of information (sometimes information that was completely untrue) and presented this as the intelligence report. the senators in office had access to the real intelligence report which completely contradicted the line of BS that Bush was feeding us. therefore the senators KNEW there was no threat but made a political decision to ignore the truth because they thought voting against the president in the post 9/11 times would be career suicide. THAT makes them immoral... and if it is true that they didnt bother to read the actual intelligence report that was handed to them and voted for something as significant as say a war without knowing why they were doing so then THAT makes them incompetent. either way, they should not have a job in the congress nevermind the white house.

 

All i want is the truth, why is it so hard to find?

NAFTA is Unconstitutional

John; NAFTA is unconstitutional since the constitution requires 2/3 vote of Senate for treaties, while NAFTA only got simple majority, passing with 63 votes, rather than 66. Do you recall any constitutional amendment being passed to overturn this? kert

NAFTA

Kerthialfad,

Interesting theory that you have that the North American Free Trade Agreement is a treaty.  Actually that passed the House on Nov. 17, 1993, and the Senate two days later, and as you undoubtedly know, the House does not pass on treaties.

According to our system of government, Constitutionality of legislation, and for that matter, of ratification of treaties is a question for the courts, not for the chief executive, to decide, even though Kucinich and Bush might wish otherwise. 

So Kucinich was quite off base in suggesting that he could, and would as President, "veto NAFTA".  As it was, NAFTA passed with heavy Republican majorities in each house of Congress, and Democratic party minorities in each house.

By the way, it passed by 234 to 200 in the House, with 132 R and 102 D in favor, and by 61 to 38 in the Senate, with 34R and 27D in favor.

For those on this blog who are so shalow in their political knowledge or discernment as to find no difference between parties, I might add that the votes against, in the House, were 43R 156D 1Independent, and in the Senate 10R and 28D.

John Keohane

Austin, Texas

Future unfair debates

Most likely, they'll try to rig the debates again and again. This tactic needs to be destroyed and we need to make the media listen to the People rather than the green bills from the major candidates.

this is a copy of a letter i

this is a copy of a letter i sent to PBS at the begining of june. i was hopeing that they would reply but i havnt heard anything

the email address is viewer@pbs.org

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I had some questions and suggestions for the presidential debates to be held by PBS “ALL-AMERICAN PRESIDENTIAL FORUMS ON PBS, MODERATED BY TAVIS SMILEY.” I was directed to this email address by the WGBH email feedback.

Supposedly the next presidential debate will be on PBS. This makes me immeasurably happy because the previous 2 debates have been sickeningly biased towards the candidates that the media networks have decided are our American democratic idol. i am under the impression that PBS will approach this from a very fair perspective and not give 2 candidates 3x the time of another candidate.

 

I had some questions and suggestions regarding complete impartiality in this debate. It was dramatically obvious at this last CNN debate that the amount of time given to each candidate was almost identical to current campaign funds. For reference, this link contains an image of the “talk clock” http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r273/veristic/CNNBiasChart.png

 

Aside from the allotted time, those candidates that the corporate news media have already decided as winners were placed in center stage with the others placed on the edges of the stage sometimes with tables amplifying the distance and the camera zoomed in close to physically exclude them from the majority of the debate. The front runners were always allowed to defend themselves when a comment was directed at them. Also of note is that the host, Wolf Blitzer, had more talk time than everyone but the 2 top candidates and was even more dramatic in the republican debate where the time was a bit more even among candidates but the host had more time than any of them. Time limits were not enforced on the front runners while the fringe candidates were cut off early. I do not think the question should be asked 2 or 3 times to the same candidate because they use political maneuvering to avoid answering the question. Finally, it seemed that important questions were directed towards the celebrity candidates and the more irrelevant questions were directed at the sides of the stage.

 

I realize that absolute impartiality is probably impossible due to the host having a general opinion, but he can still aim for complete impartiality and I have a few suggestions.

 

1 – Arrange the candidates in alphabetical order (last name) to avoid any bias.

 

2 – Limit the questions to relevant topics and make sure every single candidate gets to answer every single question.

 

3 – For the beginning of the debate allow NO immediate rebuttals until all of the important questions are asked and give the candidates a bit more time. This can be done because the host will not waste time asking new questions to each candidate. He can pose the question once then give each candidate about 2 minutes to respond. If they start to get off topic the host can remind them mid-response. If they never answer the question the host can comment that the question was not answered, but NO EXTRA TIME and move on to the next candidate.

 

4 – During the answering of questions, the question will be first posed to the next candidate in line from that of the previous question in a serial order. Ie 3 candidates: question 1, answer (1,2,3); question 2, answer (2,3,1); question 3, answer (3,1,2). This way different candidates get to have the final word.

 

5 – Impose the time limits. Give a clear timer so they know when to wrap up and cut off the microphone if they refuse to stop talking. Again, if they do not answer the question they do not get an additional cycle. Remind the audience that the question was not answered and then move on.

 

6 – At the end of the debate I think that you should allow each of the candidates to pose at least one question, have all the others answer then the asker gets the final word. If they pass on asking a question then that’s fine it gives more time for additional questions.

 

7 – Allow for a short closing statement but do not let the initial candidates run over time and then cut off the final candidates to 10 seconds as was done at the end of the CNN debate.

 

I strongly believe that these ideas would do wonders. Many Americans were disgusted with the way CNN handled their debate and we believe that many are also oblivious to their bias because it can not be seen as easily from the replay clips. My general questions for you, PBS and Tavis Smiley, are do you plan on being far more impartial than the previous CNN and MSNBC debates? Do you plan on using my ideas, which ones, and if not why?

 

I have strong faith in the fact that PBS will not be running the debate with the corporate media bias as was done previously by the other networks as PBS is funded directly by the people. Thank you for taking the time to read my letter and please forward this to whichever department or individual will best make use of it!

 

Sincerely, #####, registered independent voter in Massachusetts.

 

 

All i want is the truth, why is it so hard to find?

speaking up

give 'em hell, mike. and interrupt other candidates and get in as many words as you can. our country needs to hear from you. fight the good fight.

seriously... mike, listen to

seriously... mike, listen to dmartin. I've been thinking the same thing. You can't play nice to these candidates because you've tried and it has failed due to the unfair time given to the candidates for speaking. Interrupt them whenever you hear a B.S. statement or promise.

Your new public slogan should be: "Psyche them out Mike!!!!"

not at the PBS debate. if

not at the PBS debate. if they are fully intending to be fair then let them be fair. CNN is another story :P

 

All i want is the truth, why is it so hard to find?

Fair format?

Anybody know what the forum format will be like?  The last "debate" was what I called "The Frontrunners' Show Starring Wolf Blitzer."  Let's hope all the candidates get a chance to explain their ideas in this one.

Yeah!

First post on this topic! :)

 

Seriously though, have all the candidates agreed to go.

Yes. All 8 dems in June

Yes. All 8 dems in June (next week Thursday) and all 10 republicans in September

and

I made the same post 2 days ago.